16/10/2026
Why squeeze into a box when you’re already in a comfortable bed?
已經躺在舒服的床上，為什麼還要把自己塞進紙箱？
For UNDEFINED Vol.04, we spoke with Deb Ko—the photographer behind Razzle Dazzle’s first key visual—about Taiwan’s streets, the small absurdities of everyday life, and how we make room for ourselves.
這次 UNDEFINED Vol.04，我們找來 Razzle Dazzle 初代主視覺的攝影師 Deb Ko，聊台灣街頭、日常裡的小小荒謬，以及我們怎麼為自己留一點空間。
Deb describes herself as a bystander. Patched walls, objects left by the road, unexpected spaces between buildings. She notices the humor and strangeness in things we tend to walk past.
她說自己更像一個旁觀者。反覆修補的牆面、隨意擺放的物件、建築之間意外留下的空隙。那些容易被忽略的角落，在她眼裡帶著一點幽默，也有一點違和。
Totally Fine, But... sounds like a sentence left unfinished. Behind “everything is fine” are feelings that are harder to put into words. In her Daily, Off series, someone already resting in bed still squeezes into a box. The image makes her think about how our search for safety can end up restricting us.
《Totally Fine, But...》像一句還沒說完的話。「一切都很好」後面，還有一些難以說清楚的感受。而在長期攝影計畫 Daily, Off 裡，明明已經躺在床上，卻還要把自己塞進紙箱。這個畫面讓她聯想到對安全感的追求：有時候越想抓住什麼，反而越容易限制自己。
For Deb, someone might simply notice a strange image while eating. They don’t need to understand the whole idea behind it. Stopping to look again, finding it interesting, or recognizing a feeling from their own life can be enough.
對 Deb 來說，觀眾也可能只是在吃飯時，被某個有點奇怪的畫面吸引。不一定要理解背後的概念。能停下來多看一眼、覺得有趣，或想起自己生活中的某種感受，就已經很足夠了。
Swipe through for the conversation.
往左滑，讀這次專訪。
UNDEFINED 無定義 Vol.04｜Deb Ko deb.ko_
Razzle Dazzle × UNDEFINED
Which image made you look twice?
哪一張影像讓你多看了一眼？
